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what kind of pushback have you gotten

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there from your colleagues from the

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public from the ufology community you

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know can you can you talk about the

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struggles you've had to to be able to

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bring that message forward look first of

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all i don't want anybody to feel sorry

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for me you know i'm a big boy i made my

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own decisions i've you know been through

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wars um

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so i'm not asking anybody to to feel

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pity or mercy on me um what i what i

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would impart on anybody who who wants to

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make this journey is be very careful

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you will be surprised the pushback

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that uh that you might receive both

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internally from the us government and

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even externally to the ones that you're

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trying to help

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um let me break it down for you so in

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the us government

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um i've had been threatened i've had my

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files erased and my records erased

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besides despite there being a an actual

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court order

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uh preservation order in place for my

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files regarding other portfolios all my

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files have been deleted and erased there

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has been an active attempt to discredit

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me um hold my security clearance uh

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at bay and try to use that so i can no

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longer

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engage the us government there's been

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attempts to discredit me and whatnot and

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and it's been very tough fortunately

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though i've had some some significant

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allies um these allies are people who

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knew what i was doing

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who were part of this effort for a very

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long time um i have some some friends on

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the hill that are very well aware of my

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my activities they were senior members

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in the department of defense that also

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came to my defense and said hey look you

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know he is who he says he is he was

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briefing us on a regular and routine

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basis

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um and i had uh friends like senator

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harry reid who who knew very well what i

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was doing for for him um

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and i it's been tough the reason why i

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haven't come out and just you know if

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you will uh uh told everybody everything

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i knew to to protect myself is that's

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that's not the guy i am i'm not going to

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burn sources and and throw people under

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the bus just just when when just to

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protect my own skin uh when things get

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hot that's that's not that's not the way

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i do business

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as far as the the ufo community i'm

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surprised um

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you know i i thought i was doing them a

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service by coming out and having this

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conversation publicly and and letting

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people know what i know up to the point

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where i don't violate my my secrecy oath

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um and uh on the contrary i've noticed

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there's been a tremendous amount of

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pushback uh this has been particularly

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hard on my family because i left

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everything behind i left pensions and

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retirement and everything and and walked

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away from a very very good career that i

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spent my life you know

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going up through the ranks

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uh to to to have a conversation about

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this topic and tell the truth and um

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i think harder

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harder than it is for me it's been most

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hard most difficult on my family my

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children particularly my wife

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because they know they know what i've

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done they know what i've been through

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and they get very frustrated because

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they see their father you know basically

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having a

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tyson but i've got both hands tied

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behind my back

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um i can't the government knows i can't

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violate my security oath and so

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uh i find myself in a position where

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um you know i have to continue to to to

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to prove myself and and to prove the

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reality of this effort so with that

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being said you as that person that's

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very unique sitting in that space there

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what is your call to action for the

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american public the global populace that

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has seen these things that has questions

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about these things um you know and and

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the implications of their decisions to

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get involved to so to to help you know

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this process of uncovering this enigma

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there are five fundamental areas of

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emphasis pillars if you will

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that we are currently engaged in one is

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legislative engagement the next is

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executive level engagement the next is

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international engagement the next is

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media engagement and last but not least

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our our legislators our media

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or our executives they're going to

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respond ultimately to to the will of the

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people if the people say it's it's okay

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to report on this from a media

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perspective the media will report on it

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if they say it's okay to pursue this uh

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from a budgetary perspective then

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congress will will provide the budget to

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look at this and then the executive

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branch will respond accordingly by

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creating the necessary infrastructure

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to to to look at this topic

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um so ultimately it's up to the people

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up to the american people and what i

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would say to the american people is

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let's not forget

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that

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the government works for you

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you do not work for the government the

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government is supposed to be responsive

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to your interests your needs

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the problem is when we give government

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too much authority to make decisions on

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our behalf

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we run into into problems uh and and

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we've seen that historically look

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i i personally don't want the government

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in my business any more than it has to

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be i do not think it's the government's

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job to tell me how i should think or

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feel about this topic i think the

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government's role should be very much

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relegated to that of the national

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security interests and protecting our

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our national sovereignty and our borders

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that's it anything that involves

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the the psychological philosophical or

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theological implications of this topic

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to humanity you know what i don't want

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my government involved in that i want us

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the people involved in that we

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we need to determine what that means for

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us and if we're waiting for a public

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like a president who by the way is a

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career politician

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to tell us uh disclosure is here then

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i think uh i think you may be waiting a

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long time i don't think we need that i

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think we already have that we already

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have congress and former directors of

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cia and directors of national

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intelligence and former president saying

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yeah it's real

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it's real you just had your disclosure

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congratulations there it is uh we still

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don't know what it is uh and we need to

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figure it out um you know i i tend to

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have a little bit different perspective

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i don't think that a career politician

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getting up and telling the american

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people whether it's liberal or

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conservative or anyone in between

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that constitutes truth a reality we know

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that politicians make promises all the

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time and politicians fail to keep those

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promises all the time why are you

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looking to a politician to tell you the

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truth that that doesn't make any sense

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i think what we need to do is enable

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those politicians

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to to do their job by having the access

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to the information that they need and to

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do that it takes them

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sorry guys hold on a second my wife's

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phone is ringing but it'll stop in a

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apologies

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so i think um you know if we're looking

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for a career politician to tell us what

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the truth is i i think we're looking to

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the wrong people to do that

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i think what we need to do is take

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take this in our own hands and we need

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to encourage the government to pursue

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this

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in a meaningful thoughtful way and and

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that's how we do it by writing our

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members of congress and saying yes we

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want this to happen telling the media

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that that we want more of these type of

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stories i think that's um that's very

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important

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that's the call to action my call to

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action to the government is very simple

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do your damn job okay stop stop thinking

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about what you think is in the best

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interest of the american people and just

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do the job you were put there to do

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um and and let's not forget that if you

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fail to do that job then we'll find

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someone else who can do it better um you

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know that's that's how government should

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work um so that would be my word of

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advice to anybody in government right

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now that might be seeing this

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hey you know what history is going to

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judge you and you've got a choice be on

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the right side or the wrong side of

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history uh if i were you

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i i would i would do some serious soul

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searching right now um because the truth

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is inevitable it's imminent it's coming

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um and uh and history will we'll we'll